March 31, 2014

Minutes of the 2014 Preservation Technology and Training Board (PTT Board)


Board Attendees:

Robert Pahl, Chair of Board, President, Pahl Architecture

Jonathan Spodek, Chair Elect of Board, Associate Professor, Department of Architecture

Ball State University

Kirk Cordell, Designated Federal Official, Executive Director, National Center for Preservation Technology and Training (NCPTT)

Horace Foxall, Program Manager, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

Roy Graham, Director, College Programs in Historic Preservation, School of Architecture, University of Florida (ret.)

Victor Knox, Associate Director, Park Planning, Facilities and Lands

Norman Knoonce, CEO, American Institute of Architects (ret.)

Fred Limp, Center for Advanced Spatial Technologies, University of Arkansas

Frank Preusser, Senior Research Scientist, LACMA Conservation Center

Suzanne Turner, Professor Emerita of Landscape Architectur,e Louisiana State University                

Norman Weiss, Columbia University Graduate School of Architecture, Planning & Preservation



Tari Bradford, Senator Landrieu’s office

Laura Gates, NPS, Superintendent, Cane River Creole National Historical Park

Steve Horton, NSULA, Associate Provost and Dean of the Graduate School

John Latschar, NPS, Special Assistant to Associate Director, Cultural Resources, Partnerships, and Science

Sande McDermott, NPS, Deputy Associate Director, Stewardship and Science Programs

Cynthia Sutton, Director, Cane River National Heritage Area

Stephanie Toothman, NPS, Associate Director, Cultural Resources, Partnerships, and Science

Randall Webb, NSULA, President, Northwestern State University


NCPTT Staff:

Kevin Ammons, Administrative Officer

Tad Britt, Chief, Archeology and Collections

Sean Clifford, Web Master

Andrew Ferrell, Chief, Architecture and Engineering

Ed FitzGerald, Research Assistant

Sarah M. Jackson, Architectural Conservator

Debbie Smith, Chief, Historic Landscapes

Mary Striegel , Chief, Materials Conservation


Board Members Absent:

Jim Garrison, State Historic Preservation Officer, State of Arizona

Lucy Lawliss, Superintendent, Fredericksburg & Spotsylvania National Military Park

Bob Silman, Robert Silman Associates,



  1. Call to Order, Welcome, Introduction of Guests, Certification of Meeting, Agenda, Logistics, Approval of Minutes, Remarks by Dr. Toothman

The meeting was called to order by Rob Pahl, chair of the board at 9:00 AM. The Designated Federal Official, Kirk Cordell, certified that the board meeting was advertised in the Federal Register in a timely manner and was a legal meeting within FACA.

The format of the meeting followed the new pattern set in the last several Board Meetings. Staff members did not give presentations of information that were already covered in the board report. Instead, board members facilitated a series of discussions on issues important to the Center.

Kirk Cordell introduced new board members: Victor Knox, Fred Limp, and Lucy Lawliss.

Stephany Toothman introduced John Latschar and Sande McDermott. In her remarks she highlighted:

  • The board’s role to be a stronger advocate for the Center.
  • The need to raise the profile of the Center’s work, especially within the National Park Service.
  • The NCPTT has great value to the Historic Preservation Field.
  • The importance of the Cultural Resource Challenge and the role that the Center can play in the five main goals of the CR Challenge. (The Cultural Resource Challenge can be found at

Further, Toothman emphasized the role of science within her directorate. She discussed the President’s science initiative and its potential influence. The NCPTT’s efforts can and are being included in:

  • 3D imagery of collections,
  • GIS systems,
  • Policy guidance for climate change,
  • PTT Grants such as Robert Melnick’s entitled “A Preliminary Manual of Policy and Management Responses to Climate Change Impacts on Cultural Landscapes”
  • Educational outreach and youth programs.

NCPTT will have a higher priority and higher visibility with the Cultural Resource Directorate.

Victor Knox discussed the facilities within the NPS. Nationwide there are 401 parks valued at $200 billion. There is a huge maintenance backlog. Knox feels that there are many linkages between Cultural Resources and facilities management within the parks. The Service’s strategy is to focus on the highest priority assets for maintenance and repair, many of which are historic resources.

Approval of the minutes was introduced. Roy Graham moved to approve the minutes of the last board meeting. Frank Preusser seconded and the minutes were approved unanimously.


  1. NCPTT: The State of the Center

Kirk Cordell presented an hour long overview of the major activities involving the Center. Highlights of his presentation included:

  1. An overview of difficulties faced in federal government and in the Center during FY 2014.
  2. the sequestration and government shutdown.
  • Severe reductions in travel ceilings and restrictions on conference attendance.
  1. FEMA deployments to Hurricane Sandy response.
  2. Limited cyclic maintenance resources for Nelson Hall
  3. Highlights of the NCPTT budget.
  • Personnel issues and reduced staffing.
  • Recent PTT Grant awards.
  1. NCPTT training efforts.
  2. Web, social media and video outreach and distribution of information.
  3. Youth initiatives and other program accomplishments.

General Discussion and Recommendations from the Board:

NCPTT and the Cane River Creole National Historical Park (CARI) should consider preparing a proposal next year to the NPS youth program . This program brings graduate students into a park for one week to solve a problem. This will allow NCPTT the opportunity for greater visibility within the program.

NCPTT should prepare a list of journal articles that have come from NCPTT grants.

PTT grants are unsustainable at current funding levels. The Board recommends that a percentage be marked to the Historic Preservation Fund to provide funding to the PTT Grants program.


  1. Partner Presentations
    1. Randall Webb, NSU’s president,
      1. President Webb called Natchitoches the epicenter for partnerships.
      2. He noted the 12 month celebration of the tri-centennial of the city.
  • Northwestern State University is celebrating its 130th anniversary.
  1. Caspari Hall has been rehabilitated and is being used as offices.
  2. A new student services center has been built next door to Caspari Hall and severs as an example of the blending of new and old together.
  3. NSULA digitized every yearbook, which is now online at NSULA’s website.
  • Students are enriched by interactions with the center through internships and more.
  • NCPTT has assisted with the expansion of the University’s historic district status by writing and revising a new National Register nomination.
  1. Steve Horton, NSU’s Provost
    1. NSU is in financially trying times which resulted in the reorganization and loss of academic programs including the Masters of Arts in Historic Resources.
    2. NCPTT has offered assistance in teaching classes.
  • Carol Chin provides value to the University by serving in the NCPTT-NSU joint faculty position
  1. NCPTT employs NSU students in internship positions.
  • Laura Gates, Superintendent, Cane River Creole National Historical Park (CARI)
    1. NCPTT and CARI continue to partner together on projects
      1. With funding from the Lower Mississippi Delta Initiative, the two units partnered together to offer disaster preparation, response and recovery workshops for small museums. Three hands-on workshops were offered and a series of webinars and videos were produced with the funding.
      2. NCPTT and CARI are partnering for a masonry workshop at the park.
      3. The units are also working together to help the community with the preservation of Augustine Metoyer’s tomb and with the Badin Roque House
    2. CARI is working on their buildings, including
      1. a new roof on the main house,
      2. dealing with asbestos cement roofing with the advice of NPCTT
  • CR advisory council for SERO
    1. Looking to create a “Vanishing Treasures Program for the Southeast Region
      1. May focus on unique building materials, such as
        1. Boussilliage
        2. Tabby
      2. May address contractor certification programs
      3. Will be convening a working group in early June at NCPTT
    2. Celebration of Denis Diderot and the Diderot’s encyclopedia owned by the Park
  1. Cynthia Sutton, Executive Director of the Cane River National Heritage Area
    1. The heritage area is no longer a Federal commission and has undergone an internal evaluation and restructuring to support long term sustainability of the organization.
    2. The area is a small community with multiple responsibilities.
  • NCPTT provides guidance on preservation efforts in the heritage area.
  1. CARI serves as a nucleus for preservation efforts in the heritage area.
  1. Tari Bradford, Senator Landrieu’s office
    1. Bradford indicates that the interaction between NCPTT, CARI and the Heritage Are shows no better example of how partnerships can make a community grow and flourish.
    2. She welcomes the board to Natchitoches and offers support from the Senator’s office.
  2. General discussion and comments from the board:
    1. The board asks NSU to consider offering housing as part of cooperative efforts when brining students in from other campuses.
      1. Issues may arise since NSU doesn’t own the residence halls.
    2. The board asks if the NSU Cultural Resource Master’s Degree program will be reinstated.
      1. The NSU School of Social Science continues to be interested in the program. The school is amenable to reinstating the program if they can find the funding and student to enroll in the program.
  • Looking ahead, five years down the road, what will be the state of the center?
    1. The center must continue to find other ways of doing business
    2. Without additional funding, there will be no grants program
    3. Funding from the Historic Preservation Fund will become more critical if it can be used to fund PTT grants.
    4. The center may need to do work for other agencies to be viable.
    5. The Friends of NCPTT may play a bigger role in supplementing NCPTT annual appropriation.
    6. NCPTT must continue to connect with NPS to improve its visibility and importance within the organization.
    7. Work of the Friends group must be seen as legs on a stool – a way to raise non-appropriated funds and to capitalize on commercial value of the knowledge generated at NCPTT.
    8. Caution must be taken with the friends group. Perhaps it needs to be a foundation. In any case, it cannot become the sole funding source for the Center.
    9. Grants and sub-grants for the Center should be pursued.
  1. Emerging Trends – Horace Foxall:
  2. Wish list
  3. What is it to do your job better
  4. Right Sizing
  5. Topics
  6. Climate change – dealing with materials in the changing climate.
  7. Youth summit – needs technical components.
  8. Craftsmen – get a list of people who can get the work done
  9. Security:
  10. Taking historic windows and replacing with “bomb proof” windows – walls are weaker than windows
  11. Fire protection – fixed windows
  12. Disasters
    1. NPS geology of parks
    2. Rapid quick assessments tools needed
  13. Safety Issues
    1. Positive train corridor
    2. Towns are popping up everywhere in America
  • 20 – 80 feet tall every mile
  1. Concrete
  2. Infrastructure repairs contractors may not be able to repair
  3. Mid-century modern
  • National Concrete Institute collaboration and partnership
  1. Area of Potential Effect (106 Compliance)
    1. Visual impacts
    2. How the views will be changed
  2. Communications
    1. What is negative impact of emerging trends of others? Need “to head them off at the pass.”
  3. Mission 66 Buildings
    1. Single wall construction, need energy retrofits
    2. Hawaii – energy retrofits that made them more energy efficient creating problems with air quality
  • Retrofit of vernacular structures
  1. Architect Centric Design
  1. How we deal with historic properties
  2. How does the Center address them
  3. Four themes –repositioning of AIA
  4. Resiliency – against a variety of dangers
  5. Sustainability – (ingrained) impact on the environment. What’s the carbon footprint?
  6. Quality of place/quality of space
  7. Social equity/social justice, minority representation
  8. Are these issues that the Center could be part of discussion
  9. HUD is working on social justice. Redirecting the demand on the property owner. Who are the right people to get information to?



  1. Technology
  2. To document use for technologies which are in flux
  3. Standards
  • Specifications
  1. Best practices
  2. Conference
  3. Paper prepared, get it out on the internet.
  4. Proposal for Grants are on target.
    1. NCPTT staff aware of what others are doing in other Federal agencies
    2. NPI forum to collect information
  • NPI – rethinking NPI – use it to get information from agencies
  1. National Trust made a strong connection with black caucus
  2. Where do we hold our workshops? Who do we talk to?
  1. Empower communities to upgrade their own communities?
  2. Where to locate workshops?
  3. NPS has the horsepower
  • City planners working their own plans
  1. Hardest hit funds – only going to demolition
  2. A narrow focus – there’s a real question. Who do we get the information to?
  3. High foreclosure or high abandonment rates
  4. Education – Preservation education, what is the relevant information?
    1. How do you get the info out?
    2. HUD reps, CLG’s, property owners
  • Retrofits, case studies
  1. Clearing house of information
  2. A catalyst of information
  3. Easier for people to access a clearing house by mobile devices
  • Do you do this thing X?
  • Cold contacts, asking questions
  1. Finding the best resources on specific topics
  2. Methods being applied by people who are not experts in the technology
  3. If we don’t know the answer, we are working with experts who do know the experts
  • The preservation community doesn’t have the backbone to fight the fight any longer. Our community is leery of fighting business or government
  • We need to cultivate what we do…
  • Need to block access to power – get others involved. Latino heritage initiative. A different way of communicating. Different perspectives.
  1. Role that the Center can play? X generation 42% trust, millennials 17% trust. Evidence based.
  • Be an evidence based source of information
  • General population
  1. Like older houses
  2. Like interesting places
  3. Don’ t talk about quality of life
  4. May be integrated into the main stream
  5. Recommitting to re-communicating the values of preservation
    • Education of the decision makers – the teachers
    • Where are the gaps that we uniquely fill?
  1. Field relevance
    1. Educators
    2. Practioners
    3. National Park Service?
  • What the Center does is wonderful. Breadth of work phenomenal
  • Practioners
    1. Doesn’t get out to architects
    2. CPI conference in Colorado is an anomaly
    3. 50% of surveys back generally familiar to Center and called upon its information
    4. Doesn’t get the word out effectively
    5. We aren’t getting out to the people who need us
    6. AIA historic resources committee (Jonathan Spodek)
    7. ICOMOS internationally
  • NPS is the clearinghouse for historic preservation info
  • SHPO’s office perceived as the highly technical specialized information source for field practice
  • Identify emerging trends
  • Getting the info to the right people
  • Getting training might be more important than developing the technology
  • Getting knowledge of the website to practioner’s-RILEM, ASTM





Lucy Lawliss:


  1. Is there a need to train technicians within the Parks?
  2. Different take from NPS
  3. Where NCPTT puts its message
  4. Must bring along a much larger group of people
  5. Find your Park Service?
  6. How can we help preserve the traditional ways of doing jobs?
  7. Expertise in limited numbers – need to build a community of users and followers for NCPTT
  8. Facebook, Twitter: this community needs to be better connected
  9. All fields don’t have a unitary mind. The Center is of the mind of research, not the everyday architects


Stephanie Toothman:


  1. Defining a work plan for the whole directorate
  2. What you have; what the threats are; what the options are
  3. Technical Preservation Services must really work together rather than have competing services
  4. TPS right now is so consumed by tax credits
  5. They are responsible for Secretary of the Interiors’ standards
  6. The two programs don’t need to be redundant. There’s not enough resources for redundancy.
  7. Cutting edge research and technology
  8. Professionals working in the field
  9. High end research
  10. Concerns of TPS
    1. NCPTT does primary and secondary research whereas TPS does not
    2. Don’t want to do Preservation Briefs concerning energy, guidelines for sustainability, elevation
  • Stephanie can make some calls –docs or should NCPTT take research through Preservation Briefs
  1. Email blast – questions, journals, technical briefs. Series of notes or briefs concerns Jonathan Spodek. How to make the issues current? Journal or online?
  2. Simple way is to use NCPTT’s website. Model for this is the APT Bulletin –book. The way in which we organize the website
  3. English Heritage is state of the art. NCPTT should look to them as a model?
  • Research documents to everyday language. Hands on managers, etc.




  1. Preservation Briefs; for more information would go to NCPTT
  2. Invite – submit tag or requirement of 5000 to 8000 word articles if there is a print copy into libraries. An outlet to bring in new information.
  3. Cull the best of the best over 20 years for books
  4. Could we charge for the Journal?
    1. Full time editor
    2. Editorial board
  • Would take resources
  1. $60,000 to $100,000 for an outline journal
  2. not inexpensive
  3. market space
  • define a particular audience
  • NCPTT has 15 different audiences
  1. Costs for journals
  2. Park Science might be a journal to publish in
  3. Tagline for everything we do
  • Link to NCPTT website in the signature block
  1. Connections within the Park Service
    1. Facility managers
    2. Community
  • Reach out to those folks
  1. What are the areas that facility managers are struggling with?
  2. Design training for these issues
  3. Possibility to put courses on at the Regions or Denver Service Center


Grants – Frank Preusser:


  1. What are the best ways to use funds?
  2. Don’t have enough money
  3. Multi- year projects
  4. Two $100,000 projects on graduate level (costs $100,000 to support a PhD candidate)
  5. Look at the diversity of the grants over the years
  6. Don’t think about larger awards until you have $1 million to award
  7. This year, what was the “fad?” We don’t know enough about climate change
  8. Is 3D documentation a lasting fad?
  9. Disaster planning is logical because of the work we have done
  10. If you decide to restrict, there may be ramifications
  11. Current fads not always reflecting needs
  12. Other proposals will be entertained
  13. Past work very successful – new technologies
  14. If limited, then it becomes complimentary to what you are doing
  15. Does the staff feel it is comfortable process?
  16. Small grants? Better to get more products. Cost benefits still great benefits.
  17. Really gives the Board members a good idea of what NCPTT really does
  18. Seed grants? Get money from someone else to continue.
  19. Make grants more sustainable; needs in the Parks, what about $10,000 proposals for conferences, multiply the papers, books?
  20. Concerns:
    1. Grant money for convening brings together people versus creating new technology
  21. NCPTT approaching a crossroads. Less money, less proposals. Is it a worthwhile program for the Center? Would it be better to invest in employees to get more out of the Center?
  22. Open solicitation of proposals and commission research?
  23. Grants find us new people that we don’t know yet?
  24. Contracts versus grant recipients. Contracts are much more work- monitor of work.
  25. Make a plea for maintain the grants program. It improves interest and fertilizes the ideas for the Center.
  26. Quality of proposals.
  • We are not able to bank money
  • Award program
    1. With an award to a project is fiscal year tied to it?
    2. Project order – mechanism to carry money over
  1. Some departments have been turning one year money into longer but we don’t do it.


Preservation Education – Roy Graham


  1. More partnerships
  2. So many preservation programs
  3. There is a standard with NCPE
  4. Architecture schools have preservation at the lower end of the totem pole
  5. Make these things multi-disciplinary
  6. SECAC:
    1. Curriculum
    2. Internship work at NCPTT
  • A model for partnership led education
  1. Collaboration with other schools
  1. NCPTT critical partner for AIA HC competitions to come together
    1. A wonderful way to engage design students
    2. Students generally do not have technical backgrounds
  • Absolute fundamentals
  1. Not going to be in technically oriented positions
  2. No requirement to understand existing buildings
  3. Push to get preservation and existing buildings in requirements
  • What resources are available or should be put in into those schools that have master’s in preservation with science?
  • Architect with historic preservation certificate is what Stephanie will hire. She looks for someone with more than compliance
  1. Too many programs and not many are good. Only the strong will survive.
  2. Field studies and apprenticeship situations are the only way to go
  3. All architects deal with historic resources whether they want to admit it or not.
  • Preservation architect with a good technical background is a better architect than the design architect.
  • Creativity is the basis of invention; preservation is less about ego.
  • Architectural conservation – science based
  1. There really are two types of preservation
  • What the Center does is pretty focused.
  • Programs for the Parks to be better stewards of resources, there are private sector equivalents
  • As far as students – how do you bring preservation education into the schools?
  • Multi-disciplinary programs exist because preservation has become a real profession
  1. Public education can be served by the Center – turn into advocates
  • Opportunities to build technical capacity?
    • Yes, NCPTT has resources online
    • Many linear feet of library resources
    • Columbia students get stuck in NYC, it’s in their first job that they really start to learn
  • Use NCPTT to create post-graduate internships here or elsewhere.
  • Opportunity for non-certificate programs. Professionals who are practicing
    • A mechanism for short burst certificate program
    • Four times – then certificate in preservation
    • NSU holds the certificate
    • NCPTT fellows program – run it through NSU? What should be the curriculum? How do we structure it?
  • Certificate in trade association
  • Curriculum
  • Administration
  • Prerequisites
  • We have knowledge and resources
  • A continuing education program in technology
  • Two week summer course 8:00 am – 1:30 pm – stackable courses/little pieces
  • Test the market capability
    • NPS employees
    • Graduate students
    • Hard skills online
    • Soft skills hands on




April 1, 2014 PTT Board Meeting Cont’d

8:55 am


Robert Pahl calls the meeting to order.


  1. Pahl will retire as Chair
  2. Where and when we hold our next Board meeting? Would like to meet in the National Parks
  3. Will board members leave their positions at the end of this term?
  4. Could go off of PTT Board and serve on the Friends Group
  5. Norman Weiss elected as vice-chair.
  6. Suggestions for meeting locations;
    1. Indianapolis – Spodek can assist

Ball State has a center

Indiana landmarks

Limestone mills

Columbus Indiana saurinan

Indianapolis Museum of Art

Jon Smith can assist (youth summit)

Connor Prairie

  1. Savannah with the National Trust Meeting
  • Quebec with APT – not likely
  1. Lucy Lawliss volunteer Fredericksburg, Spotsylvania


Preservation Trades – Who are potential partners? NCPTT has had involvement in past.

  1. International Masonry Institute
    1. Large new training center outside DC
    2. Great for workshops
  2. Timber framers Guild
  3. Interior finishes
  4. Concrete – International Concrete Repair Institute – largely contractors


Is There a Role For NCPTT?

  1. Finding people with the right skills and materials knowledge. Artists /craftspeople
  2. How to integrate the trades with the preservation professional?
  3. NCPTT should help at the interface between the two groups
    1. Preservation boot camp
    2. Paired mason and architect
  4. Professional schools versus public history versus preservation trades?
    1. Continued education not situated in an academic program
    2. It is important that union apprentices get introduced to preservation as it is that architects can grasp preservation
  5. In many parts of the country trades people don’t understand materials. Another group to engage;
    1. US Heritage
    2. Virginia Limeworks
  • Edison Coating
  1. Jahn Mortars
  2. Cathedral Stone
  1. How to create the trade workforce.
    1. A demand for all sorts of levels
    2. How to connect between these programs
  • A fluidity between trades and academia







Lucy Lawliss:


  1. Trade organization
  2. No one training in historic preservation landscapes
  3. NCPTT is in a particularly good spot to teach these things
  4. Vanishing Treasures Program – the traditional making of materials carry the program and take this to other regions
  5. Must have a commitment to a living community
  6. Vanishing Treasures is not a program you feed. How can the Center meet the needs
  7. Department of Labor career one stop system;
    1. Competencies
    2. Preservation functions
  • Regional centers
  1. Center could leverage into a program like this
  1. Lucy is concerned with the lack of a historic landscape focus within the Vanishing Treasures


Laura Gates:


  1. Concerned with the loss of skilled people making boussilliage
  2. Lack of skills in places that are non-urban
    1. Father to son transmission no longer exists
    2. Interruption by Great Depression and WWII
  • A broken tradition
  1. Facilitation of trades training
  2. How do we leverage our resources?
  3. Difficulty moving from conservators up to architectural conservation
  4. Look at conservation training. Learn to make the thing before conserving the thing
  5. A responsibility of everyone in the preservation field
  6. The opportunity is great
  7. Olmsted Center is within National Park Service but no equivalent outside NPS
  8. Olmsted Center is a regional program, not a national center
  9. There is a thirst for training at the grass roots level in NPS


Norman Weiss: NCPTT should serve as a converser.


  1. The best in a particular field
  2. Current state of the art
  3. Unmet needs?
  4. So much of what goes on in preservation is about what is trendy and fashionable
  5. 3D convention rather than a grant
  6. Preservation trades meeting – mini symposium
  • NCPTT has been doing this
  1. Areas to explore
  2. 3D scanning with 3D printed object
  3. Historic hardware replication


  1. Terra cotta is another object that can be 3D printed
  2. Relationships with professional organizations. What about landscapes?
  3. Parks perspective:
    1. Training held in parks benefits everyone.
    2. Parks and partners use convening as a think tank
  • Relationships
  1. Future planning – products, what are the tangible products?
  2. Need to have a specific desired outcomes
  3. Center/staff need to plan in concert with others
    1. Feedback to the center
  • SAA:
    1. Provides Information
    2. Flies the flag
    3. Now a new journal – Archeological Practice – submit papers
  • SAA Webinars
    1. not perfect but they scale
    2. continuing education
    3. lots of products we could repurpose
    4. packaged and provided at conference for continuing education
  1. The Getty Conservation Institute is a partner to consider. They are excellent at convening.
  2. World Monuments Fund
  3. Getty Conservation Institute – 20th century structure
  4. ICOMOS – ICCROM; international organizations
  5. DOCOMOMO – excellent partner
  6. What work that is happening in Europe?
    1. Convene experts internationally
    2. Video conferencing
  7. Organization of American States
  8. Something should come out of the convening;
    1. Before the meeting happens, establish agenda/goals
    2. Pull together what comes out of the conversation. Ex. Pocantico (but taken over by the Trust).
  • Professional Architectural Conservation Education – not as good a product
  1. We are just bringing together individuals for a free flowing conversation
  2. There must be some content that comes out of it
  3. Set the agenda – be willing to follow up
  1. There are organizations that we need to be involved, including SEPA
  2. Look through the literature
    1. In geophysics
    2. 3D documentation
  • International Archeometry Symposium this year in Los Angeles
  1. Working internationally is part of our mission. Sharon Park is the ICCROM representative
  2. ICCROM – how do we get them here?
  3. Computer Applications in Archeology – CAA looking for a venue in the U.S. 200- 300 people. Invite them here.







  1. Operational leadership training – risk assessment, NCPTT’s new App: RISK
    1. Severity Probability Exposure/Operational Risk Management Analysis – use the app
    2. Application is good to go as soon as the folks that do the training
  2. MOCA
    1. Condition assessment in the field
    2. Currently in B
  • Back end is on the server
  1. Synchronizes across IOS/Android
  2. Encryption of data going back and forth
  3. Could this be modified to move data into the NPS Maximo?
  • Do other agencies have these devices? Not for CR
  • NPS managing 48 million to states for Hurricane Sandy. No way to effectively assess the damage.
  1. SPE/ORMA app needs more support. Everyone in NPS should have these on their phones



  1. Have fewer prognosis – more in depth
  2. Shallower but broader?
  3. Are these still relevant? Yes.
  4. But which of these is more important? Focused, in depth, or shallow and broad?
  5. What is happening now?
    1. Interest
    2. Capability and resources
  • When people bring us the issue


  1. Job of sending members to professional meetings to find the best topics
  2. Some things fall into our laps and we advance the research
  3. Do we create research priorities in a narrow focus?
  4. Conduct a broader call in grants program
  5. In-house research
  6. Build capacity within the staff
  7. Critical – internships
  8. Is NCPTT missing something on this list of bullets;
    1. Heritage education – get the program back
      1. Resources have evaporated
      2. The program;
        1. $2500 grants
        2. Model for national program
        3. Teacher training
        4. Community connections
      3. Might the SHPO’s be interested in these programs?
      4. NCSHPO?
      5. Local youth programs, e.g. History Detectives at NCPTT
      6. The way research is conceived is the shotgun approach
      7. Would Initiatives or directives from the Board be helpful?
      8. Narrowed down from a branding viewpoint
      9. More efficient and long term
      10. Talk to Board about ideas – staff should feel free to call on Board members
      11. Center’s expertise;
        1. Cemetery preservation
        2. Sustainability
  • Disaster preparedness
  1. Technological envelope. Is this the cutting edge? Does it happen here or do we facilitate the research?
  2. Research = credibility.
  3. EU = much more funding available
  4. Clearinghouse idea is a multiplier value in NCPTT









Final Recommendations and Resolutions:


  1. In re: the format change;
    1. Disciplinary people meet for 1-2 hours for brainstorming with staff
    2. Most helpful Board meeting
  • Great interaction between NPS folks and the Board
  1. Lots of ideas from the table
  2. Minutes: formal action or follow-up
  3. Tag Board members and staff with assignments


Stephanie Toothman:

  1. Future work plans should reflect the priorities
  2. Peer review needed for all research results
  3. Review our own work
  4. What is there within the Park Service system that is similar
  5. Certificate program:
    1. Andy
    2. Norman
  • CEU’s (Architects =18)
  1. Department of Labor follow-up – Fred Limp



Norman Koonce: Appreciate the opportunity. Thank you for such wonderful work.


Four years ago Jim Garrison, as our Board Chair, recommended that HPF receive full funding and 2% could go to grant funding administered by NCPTT.


Inform those who are interested. Barbara Pahl.

NCPTT can facilitate programs. Consult with Suzanne Turner

Jonathan Spodek will lead the initiative


Two weeks ago National Parks Conservation Association

Secretary of the interior

Senator Landrieu

FACA Board members cannot ask or lobby

Board can ask to be part of discussion

Can tell the Secretary of the Interior as an advisory board

Citizens of the state can discuss the issue




5:30    PM        Reception at Cherokee Plantation

7:00     PM       Dinner at Melrose Plantation