MEETING MINUTES

PRESERVATION TECHNOLOGY AND TRAINING BOARD

NATIONAL CENTER FOR PRESERVATION TECHNOLOGY AND TRAINING

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE

 

 

 

NOVENBER 28-29, 2012
THE PRESIDIO
SAN FRANCISCO, CA

 ATTENDEES

 BOARD  STAFF  ABSENT
Rob Pahl, Chair Kirk Cordell, DFO Robert Silman
Horace Foxall Tad Britt Norman Koonce
Roy Graham Andrew Ferrell
Jim Garrison Debbie Smith
Jonathan Spodek Mary Striegel
Suzanne Turner
Norman Weiss
Frank Preusser

 

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 28

 

CALL TO ORDER

Call to Order, Opening Remarks, and Certification of Meeting

Rob Pahl, Chair

Kirk Cordell, Executive Director & Designated Federal Officer (DFO)

Rob Pahl, Chair of the Board, calls the meeting to order. There are no guests.  Tad Britt is introduced as the newest staff member of the center. Pahl provides opening remarks.  The sail this afternoon is cancelled due to weather.

Kirk Cordell certifies the meeting and states that there are 8 of the 10 board members at the meeting and it was properly announced following the FACA rules.

We owe a thank you to Horace for suggesting we meet in the West.  Golden Gate National Recreation Area has graciously provided our meeting space in this spectacular location.

There is a copy of the most recent agenda.

Approval of last year’s minutes: no changes or modification.  Horace Foxall moves, Norman Weiss seconds.  No discussion.  Approval of the minutes passes unanimously.

NCPTT YEAR IN REVIEW

Kirk Cordell reviews the meeting agenda.  After break, grants and products update.   A preservation trades initiative presentation will be offered.  Discusses Pacific West Field Schools.  Kirk Cordell talks about the Center’s role as convener and the directions of the Center.  Mentions Friends of NCPTT and NCPTT in the National Parks.

Will meet at Pier 31 tomorrow for trip to Alcatraz.

Very strong year this year with new initiatives and new projects

NPS Management

Stephanie Toothman originally planned to be here, but conflicts arose.  Sande McDermott is the new supervisor with reorganization, is over Stewardship and Science.  Both will visit the center at some point.

Budget

Continues to be essentially flat, but are fortunate to be in the budget.  Operating under a six month long continuing resolution.  Budget is $1.9 million dollars.  There is decreasing flexibility in the budget, due to rising costs.  Do not expect significant cuts, even with the “fiscal cliff.”  OMB has proposed a 30% travel cut which could drastically affect NCPTT.  There are a lot of fiscal uncertainties currently.

There has been a whole new way of budgeting in the Cultural Resource division based on the zero based budget.  In the last two years, the effect of it has not been substantial, but it has taken many hours of work to get the Center’s budget worked out.  The budget has always been a moving target.  The Center has been notified that it will get the 2013 budget as a lump sum to manage.  This is a real tribute to Kevin Ammons’ work.

The budget will be tighter this year than it has ever been because the grants program for the last few years has been partially funded with lapsed salaries.

Rob Pahl says that 1.9 million dollars in 1994 should be 3.8 million in 2013 dollars assuming a 4% annual increase.  This is the same across the National Park Service, including State SHPOs.  There are some creative efforts afoot – example, some states are allowing the private sector to update and rehab and inhabit the buildings.  Much of the country feels that the government must deal with the deficit.  That means cutting costs and raising revenues. The board will need to help NCPTT address these issues.

It is a challenge to try to get more funding within the current system.  What are the other strategies to bring dollars into the Center?  This may be a further discussion this afternoon.

Question:

If a pre-convention workshop is put on in conjunction with a professional meeting, do you get resources from them?  No, we usually provide the resources to help put it on.

FACA Action Item:

Roy Graham requests an overall flowchart of NPS.  He would like to know who is on the same level as the Center.  The reorganization has taken place in the last few months.

Horace Foxall is moving to communication and outreach for ACHP.  He will ask that the Council meet at NCPTT in Natchitoches.  Foxall says that he will approach ACHP about the meeting for 2014.

Board Reports become our annual report. Cordell provides a copy of the latest annual report for board members to review.

(NOTE) The next report should list Rob Pahl as the chair of the board in the report.

(ALSO NOTE) Roy Graham is in the College of Design,Construction, andPlanning at the University of Florida.

The board report is posted online at NCPTT’s website two weeks ahead of the PTT Board meeting.  The annual reports are being printed at NSU’s printing office.

Strategic Discussions

NCPTT management team was directed to help the Center become indispensible to the National Park Service.  Andrew Ferrell is working on sustainability issues within NPS.  Discussion on Preservation Trades Initiative (more later).

3D Digital Documentation Summit in cooperation with the Intermountain Regional Office.  One result: A digital preservation documentation initiative with three regions.  NCPTT funded CyArk for work on Mesa Verde.  This resulted in a desire for more scanning projects in the western parks.  Discussed a wide range of documentation techniques at the conference.  The Library of Congress is also a major player in archiving documentation.  There were a significant number of papers and posters given at the conference and two panel discussions.  This meeting resulted in videos, transcripts, and will include an extended abstract publication.

Weiss asks: What is NCPTT’s role for future work in this area?  NCPTT as the digital archivist? This may cause more problems than it would solve within NPS.  Preusser questions the appropriateness of the technology.  A handbook? Guidelines? Publication?  More discussion this afternoon.  Spodek: A role as consultant.

Landscape maintenance curriculum for the Cultural Resource Career Academies.  This is part of the restructuring of NPS training for employees.  Five career academies to provide mid-career online training.  They are: cultural resources, natural resources, administration, maintenance, and rangers.

NCPTT is facilitating the cultural resource and maintenance academies with web development.  A time consuming project for the Center’s IT staff ($75,000 last year and $50,000 for FY 2013 above appropriation).  Also a contract with National Landmarks website through NSU.  The CR academy goes live in February.

Facilitating a partnership with CR-GIS on documenting landscapes with geo-referencing all sites.  Two interns are undertaking this work.

Working on a cemetery preservation brief for Technical Preservation Services.

Horace Foxall asks if NPS plans to revisit the Secretary of Interior’s Standards and Guidelines.  Cordell indicates that Toothman plans to undertake this work and NCPTT will be at the table.  Jim Garrison points out the call to action requests a review of the Secretary’s standards.  The Center is also the host of the Call to Action responses online.

2012 is the twentieth anniversary of the legislation that created NCPTT.  2014 will be the actual 20th anniversary of the center.  In 2001, there was the NCPTT forum that reviewed and offered new directions.  Perhaps a conference or summit at that time.

Update on topics from last year.  Grants funding is flat at near $300,000.  Standing up technical services for the parks.  Physical space issues slowed progress.

NCPTT acquired another lab from NSU in Fournet Hall.  Built on accelerated outdoor weathering lab on top of that building as well.  HVAC was dysfunctional in the first floor lab, which led to remodeling of the lab space.

Followed up preservation trades training discussion from last year with two major meetings, new plan to develop major initiative in this area.

Board membership was discussed.  All existing board members were reappointed.  Moved ahead with recommendations for nominations.  (1)Lucy Lawliss, NPS landscapes; (2) Fred Limp, CAST, University of Arkansas; (3) Vic Knox, NPS Associate Director for Facilities Management.

The Friends Group co-sponsored the 3D Digital Documentation Summit last summer.  Registration was conducted through the Friends of NCPTT website, generated just shy of $9,000 over expenses that can be used on future projects and programs.  The NSU Alumni Center handles the funds.  There is still a need to expand the Friends board.

The Park Service is in the middle of a transition to new financial management systems.  Currently, no payments are being made but new system will not be online until all staff are trained.  The old grants payment system was a challenge, but the new system will allow grantees to be paid directly.  Long delays in paying grantees during the transaction are already generating complaints.

The Center continued to pursue replacing our archeology chief and that was accomplished with Tad Britt coming on board in a term position.  Permission has been granted to hire a permanent position, so the Center will advertise again.

This is the second year that Ed FitzGerald and Curtis Desselles have served in our new Research Assistant positions.  There is not much money for summer interns any longer.  One intern has been coming in to do application development.  Center is struggling with marketing workload with Jeff Guin’s departure, but we cannot afford to replace his position.  EdFitzgerald and Sarah Jackson have stepped up to do some of the graphic work that Jeff did..

Preservapedia is doing wel, but not taking off the way we hoped it would.  It’s being advertised widely.  Need a greater level of participation.  The AIC wiki, developed using an NCPTT grant, needs to be highlighted on NCPTT’s website.

We used the tricaster to broadcast the Divine Disorder: Outside Folk Art Conference, proving that streaming can be an effective tool to reach a broader audience.

The Center has smart phone apps online.  The Emergency Response app developed with Heritage Preservation is available for iPhones and Android phones.

Our disaster response page was updated this summer and was ready for Hurricane Sandy.

FACA RECOMMENDATION:

NCPTT’s legacy grants information has been updated and organized.  Weiss recommends for 20th anniversary there be highlights from the files of NCPTT  Graham recommends that we contact Liz Lyons for more files on NCPTT.  Cordell would like to get funding for developing an administrative history of NCPTT.  Also, Graham suggests contacting Laura Hudson for the history.

The Center co-sponsored this year’s APT meeting in Charlestown, South Carolina.  Presented on paint primer system study.  Coverage of NCPTT was possible because of Debbie Smith’s work.

Improvements to the Center’s website has basically doubled site visitation.  There have been 290,000 unique visitors in the past year.  There was a turning point this year where more products were downloaded than ordered in print.  45 new videos were added to the website, mostly from the new conferences.

Significant training events are shown on page 25-28 along with staff presentations.  New technical publications are shown on page 30.  The National Trust has published “Saving Windows, Saving Money”, funded by NCPTT.

Youth and Diversity Activities

(1) Preservation and education conference

(2)NATHPO Technology Fair

(3) Local K-12 student program

Grants and Products Update (see page 14 of report)

The 2012 Grants cycle funded 13 grants described listed on page 14 of the board report.  The geographic distribution was as follows: Northeast = 3, Midwest = 3, Southeast = 2, Intermountain = 2, and Pacific West =3.  The disciplinary distribution was as follows: Architecture and Engineering= 4, Archeology and Collections = 2, Historic Landscapes = 2, and Materials Conservation = 5.

The amount awarded was $285,500 dollars that leveraged an additional $336,497.

FACA RECOMMENDATION:

Are there ways that NCPTT can acquire revenues for our grant-funded work?  Royalties cannot come through grants, per grants law.  Can we sell publications that come through grants?  The Friends Group might be able to sell some publications.  One way to generate revenues might be through cooperative research and development agreements.  If printed through the government printing office the funds go back to the Treasury, not to NCPTT.  What about on demand printing?  Spodek says that it’s quite good.  There needs to be some value-added work to the publication to make it more valued as a print on-demand publication.  Spodek suggests that NCPTT use a student from the art design program to create publications.  What of our publications would students be interested in purchasing?

Page 30 shows the grants completed this year, along with their final reports.

The Center is restructuring all our grants files from 1994 forward.  We created a database and central files.  A distribution map on Page 14 shows grants data tied to a map online.  We are standardizing the way products are being put up-online.  Other potential products have been identified and will be put online.

NCPTT Preservation Trades Initiative by Andrew Ferrell

NCPTT has begun preservation trades initiative. The Center is mentioned in draft cultural resource challenge to improve opportunities for traditional trades training within the NPS and beyond. This is an  unfunded mandate. Since inception, the Center has been involved in trade schools, career and technical education, cemetery workshops, ornamental iron workshop, traditional limewash workshops, masonry conservation for high school students, and dry stone fencing preservation.

Convened meetings at NCTC and at APT and PTN Charleston meeting, which led to the Charleston Proclamation on trades training.

NCPTT can facilitate student awareness of, and connections among existing programs, partner to offer traditional trades training, gather technical material to support preservation trades network, serve as the online hub for traditional trades activities. Currently developing  www.traditionaltrades.org to include communication, events calendar, tech briefs, videos, blogs, jobs, news, traditional trades exchange, and partners.  The partners page includes as many as 50 partners. CESUs may be good partners.

Foxall says that he is routinely asked two main questions: where can I find highly trained people and where can I get training? The Center needs to broaden representation.  What partners?  What programs?  What products? Foxall indicates that he likes this is a place for everyone to come rather than a government motivated project.

How is this different than PTN?  PTN is not engaged in the academic programs and they do not have the infrastructure to provide a clearinghouse.  They don’t have an institutional capacity.  That we do have.  We are interested in every aspect of the preservation trades, from introducing youth to the profession to developing the professional community.

Spodek is not sure that he likes the idea that the web presence is outside NCPTT’s website.  Graham concurs.  How do we make it look like it’s not a government site?

Graham notes that opportunities exist to provide trades component for academic programs.  This doesn’t make tradesmen, but it does generate a better understanding.  There are also needs for continuing education units for architects and engineers.  Trades field trips is another idea.

Look at the career academies within NPS where NCPTT can aid in the development of preservation trades.  There is also the PAST program within the NPS. The Center helped to host the PAST program this year.  Weiss suggests that this may be a way to put pressure on other organizations to move forward with programs and projects. IMI had a Paris summer training that was dropped. There was a swapping of roles which was an enlightening experience.  Trades training benefits all preservation professionals.

NOTE: Habitat for Humanity has a mandate to look at rehabilitation of structures as well as new structures.  There are problems with environmental issues and EPA regulations.

BREAK

The Center’s Role as Convenor

The Center has a long history of convening activities and conducting preservation engineering programs, Poncantico and the Sustainability Promotion Initiative are good examples.

The Center  has four questions for the board: Why is the Center different from other preservation programs?  Is NCPTT a tool to move preservation technology forward in historic preservation?  Should the Center move technology from outside into preservation technology?  Should the Center make preservation technology more useful in the field?

In addition to those four central questions for the board, there are other things the Center would like answers to such as: What are the types of useful products?  What topics are crucial to move preservation technology forward?  What events would the board be interested in attending or help to organize?  Where are there gaps in preservation knowledge?

Preusser notes the Center must be very observant of new technologies.  The Center must be aware of needs rather than have a hardcore plan.  Must have the technology coincide with the need and then must have the expertise.

Earlier in the day Foxall suggested Native American carving and totems as topic.  The Center is glad to be sponsoring a grant on this topic.

The Center needs to be more visible in the West.  How many major initiatives at any given time is the Center able to carry out at any given time?  The Center needs to be diverse, including Native Americans and Hispanics.  Not necessary to do it alone, but can help sponsor those who can make it happen.  These are some of the kinds of things needed to widen the span.

Weiss wonders if the Center is doing too many things?  Is work being repeated or are tasks being moved forward?

Weiss asked about emerging issues.  What should the Center be grabbing onto and how?  He thinks that one of the highest uses of the Center is to convene experts.  What are the topics? Who should be the partners? What are the outcomes?

Foxall asked how to help sustain the parks and make it affordable?  Does the Center focus on the parks or the broader world?  Parks are one of NCPTT’s clients but that is not the sole focus of the Center.  Who convenes the parks on specific technical topics?

Landscape architects are now getting together once a year, and are doing webinars.  What about collections?  Management, environment, etc?  People are the key to moving the convening role forward.  Must find useful partners to leverage efforts.

Spodek observes that the 3D Digital Summit focused on a Park Service problem but brought together experts across the board that could address the problem.  This likely hit relevancy outside the Park Service as well.  How does the Center come up with a vetting process to know what it should be doing and what it may want to pass on.  The grants program generates good ideas and moves them forward.

Suzanne Turner thinks the grants program is at the heart of what makes the Center different from other programs.  Very much like an incubator of preservation ideas. This is one of the ways to stay relevant to the population that the Center is chartered to serve.  The ability to disseminate the results is the highest priority in Turner’s mind.

Can’t predict all the issues as plans are made.  Example: SECAC is something that can bring many groups together.  Remember, good things happen sometimes out of failures.  Convening is one method.  The grants program is another method that has a potential payoff.  As well as training and the dissemination of products.  Have those goals been met?  Tweaking the system to make convening more successful and make sure there is follow-up.  Bring all the different players together to show them how to meet and address a topic before different audiences.

Most of the board members are users, clients, customers.  We want to take that information from the Center to others .  How do we get that information to new audiences?

The Center has done good work in stone and metals and wood.  But how does it get that information out to the audience?

The 600 technical preservation specialists know who NCPTT is.  Need to get the Center’s presence out to the 6000 behind them.

Pahl wants to have enough training to know that the work is correct.  AIA Historic resources committee is a group for NCPTT to work with.  Pahl says Jason needs to present how to clean stone at the Colorado Preservation, Inc. annual meeting.

Training courses are living organisms. There are specific  things which change each time.  When presenting to an audience, workshops are able to capture them.

How hard would it be to identify which of the various techniques in particular topic areas would rate as the most successful?

When NCPTT held the Summer Institute, week-long preservation courses were offered at $695 and we partnered with the AIA HRC to offer CEUs, including HSWs, Attendance was never high enough to make the effort financially sustainable.

Practitioners want to know about emerging issues and best practices in collections care, and in all areas of preservation. These are crucial topics.  SHPO’s want this information.   This is a potential convening/training opportunity for NCPTT.

Look through everything that has been done and see what works.  Was it back to back with a conference?  Look at the location, topic, and time of year.

Suzanne Turner believes there is a need for a conference on archeology and landscapes.  Interested in applications of archeological techniques to landscapes and the communication between archeologists and landscape architects.  Interpretive issues with disturbances.

Turner says there is a great scarcity of people trained to care for historic landscapes.  The Center could be a catalyst for getting others like the Garden Club of America interested in training on this topic.  What about Colonial Williamsburg (good, bad, and ugly).  Other location ideas?   Military parks is another idea.  Perhaps re-establish the landscape for the time of the battle.

Visibility continues to be the Center’s biggest issue.  A lot of the good work goes to waste.  How well known is NCPTT with SHPOs?  Preservation Briefs with TPS.  Basic communication between SHPOs is the listserv.  Could the center develop more detailed preservation briefs that are subsets of the preservation briefs?  There are tech notes that are out there too.

Cordell thinks that there may be topics that are online drilling down into the specific topic.  In some ways the Center’s disaster response page is that.  Each of those should be uniform.

The Center has an opportunity to rework technical research reports in to more easily accessible products for a broader audience. Perhaps a special brand for NCPTT that brings things from the preservation professional level and takes it to the basic issues.  Some things like this are already available on the Center website.  The Center could hire an editor researched on a somewhat standard format.   Hire to come and do it.  This could be projects for a summer intern to index and pull together information.

Weiss says we need a better way to find the information that is available on the website.  Can this information be tagged into the career academies?  They might be willing to fund some of this work to feed into the academies.  Right now, could a corporation give funds? The Friends of NCPTT  can recognize the donor.  Can the friends advertise? Yes.  However, there may not be products that the public wants right now.  The Friends group could advertise on the Discovery Channel, NOVA, NatGeo, the History Channel, and History Detectives.

Weiss is a little skeptical to reach out just to the public.  One of the Center’s big clients is Congress.  No one at the meeting is a marketing expert.  Perhaps the Friends could hire a marketing expert.  It takes a lot of effort to put a marketing plan together and it takes money to do this type of thing.  Given the limited resources of NCPTT have certain markets been saturated?  APT, HRC, AIC, know us?  The Center has been marketing itself to NPS.  Maybe this is enough for now.

Think about value for effort.  Does this generate more mission effort? Spodek believes that new architects may not want it or come to NCPTT for spec type information.  AIA has MOU with NPS and LOC.  Are there opportunities to do something similarly with other organizations?

Have been thinking about new publications?  Weiss says that would be a major undertaking.  Example of topics would be window repairs and clear finishes.

For the 20th anniversary could NCPTT put together a compilation like: Preservation Handbook, Preservation Primer Book edited by Fran Gale for APT.

Give authors a stipend to help write the sections.  Maybe could get the Friends group to put together the compilation and print it, then they can sell it.  Need to get the Friends group to raise funds.  Practice points (APT publications) might be a good model.  There could be themes or series.

Could have a technical issue watch list? And base the series on that.  Cordell asks how to approach this list?  But, this seems place based.

What are the emerging trends in Technology?  What are the new technologies for Preservation?  An example is one of NCPTT’s grant recipients was named as one of the top ten technologies in Archeology (advances in radio carbon dating from Texas A&M).

What about NPS publications?  These are going away in hard copy and they have not expressed much interest. Examples include Common Ground, Park Science, and CRM Journal.

Thursday, NOVEMBER 29

 CALL TO ORDER

Call to Order and Opening Remarks

Rob Pahl, Chair

Kirk Cordell, Executive Director & Designated Federal Officer (DFO)

Preservation Luminaries: Archiving the Pioneers of Preservation

Want to capture people’s reminiscences about how historic preservation developed over time.  Podcast program or others?  Administration, the invention of methodologies.  Examples are Brown Morton, Nick Gianopolis, Bob Silman, Roy Graham, Hugh Miller, etc.  Is this something that we should be involved in?

Clemson University has a series.  Understand how these leaders got into preservation.  It is important to understand how people get into these careers.

If there is an annual award, it might give NCPTT more recognition.  Example, remember early days of APT, greater discourse from James Fitch, Blair Reeves, Lee Nelson, Ward Jandl, and Penny Bachelor

Take advantage of those things that have already been produced.  The Center can be a repository.  People who could help with this are Dana Crawford (a developer out of Denver), Liz Lyon (retired GA SHPO), Jim Huhta, and Robert Melnick.  There might be some opportunities to get this funded.  Possibilities include NEA, Kress ,Graham Foundation, and Jerry Rogers.  The board is encouraged by the idea.

Concerning the Friends of NCPTT, how can the group become more national in scope?  There are four board members currently.  They include Tommy Whitehead as president and members Sharon Gahagan, Norman Koonce, and Pat Tiller.  Funds are being handled by the NSU Alumni Association.

Weiss asks for the mission statement and documents that established the Friends of NCPTT.  There needs to be a pointer on NCPTT’s website to share the Friends Group website.  Is this a membership organization? Silman thinks that the Center should ask for members.  Maybe the individual principal investigators of grants would join.  There could be institutional membership.

Need a five minute promo video of NCPTT.  Invite APT to Natchitoches.  Powerpoint for specific initiatives.  The Center could invite luminaries and provide training opportunities.  Must be tied to specific initiatives and include publications, etc.

A business plan approach is needed with timelines and specific projects.  Pahl indicates it needs to start with the Center’s friends.  Should sit at the table with past board members and the plan should receive funds.

The PTT board needs to support and help develop specific prospects.  The board need to participate first and drum up financial support with donations and in-kind gifts.

Bob Silman may be a good PTT Board member to assist and serve as a liaison to the Friends Board.

Should there be some other way to exchange ideas? Skype, etc?

Does the Friends Group need a professional fundraiser who helps create boards? They can’t afford a consultant.  Preusser suggest that they might.  If going for grants, need one type of board.

Composition of the board is the most critical enterprise that the Friends Group will undertake.  Where do they want to go?  What type of people need to be on the board?  People with money.  People with professional credentials.  The people who can ask for big bucks.

The growth of the Friends Group is incremental.  The Friends Group is at a place that people giving hundreds of dollars will help.  Need 100% board participation from PTT Board.

The Center with a $2 million operating budget a year may be too small, thus limited to its professional community.  The key is getting the board together and grow the board.

The people of Louisiana may feel that Friends of NCPTT is a plum.  Spodek suggests that PTT Board members may suggest members to Cordell.  Perhaps having honorary board members: governor of the state, etc.

Is it legal to have a joint meeting? Yes.  Perhaps there should be a joint meeting with the Friends Board.  Would Friends Group board members use Friends money to travel to board meetings?  Former Senator J. Bennett Johnston or Senator Mary Landrieu could be honorary members.

What about women’s membership group? Affiliated groups? Someone in the state?  A Sue Weaver type.  A high energy doer.

NCPTT and the National Parks

Kirk Cordell presents NCPTT’s work with NPS.  These include: NPS Directors Order 61; Best Practices for Cleaning Government headstones; Second Century Commission meeting; PAST Program; TELNPS; Gulf Oil Spill Response; Joshua Tree National Park; Statue of Liberty; Olmsted Research Online; HOPI youth training program; Pohnpei cultural resource site; Limewash study; Bousilliage; Congressional Cemetery; Herbicides; Chalmette; Natchez Melrose Plantation; wooden vigas; Laser testing for graffiti; Energy audit; Poverty Point; and 3D Laser Scanning.

Discussions?  Is the Bousilliage video  available? Yes.  It is available online.

Landscape Priorities on Research

What ideas are there that would benefit landscapes?  All the work impacts the landscape. Vegetation is only one component.  Several proposals are coming in through the grants program.

Garrison offers that Prescott, Arkansas Courthouse is surrounded by elms.  How to address the square after elm disease.  A Best Practices or practical how-to for making those decisions.  Another issue is the Annapolis Revolutionary Tree.  Propogate the tree?

Tribes have latched on to the cultural landscape concept.  Definitions of traditional cultural landscape for eligibility.  There are issues here especially with the tribal interface.  Internal parks policy has never been squared away within the NPS.  Ethnographic landscape.  There are four types of landscapes defined.

At Lake Washington Ship canal there are poplar trees around the canal.  Service life of the trees within the landscape.  Are there technologies for evaluating the health of an historic tree?  Work has been done out there but it hasn’t come along yet.  It could be used on expensive trees.

Debbie suggests toppled trees and their influence on archeology.  Preusser asks current wisdom about root control?  Best practices?  Mantaining the character of the landscape.

Ruins with landscapes at historic sites.  Soft-capping of architectural ruins?  Best practices for maintaining historic trails dealing with stone and iron as well.  The board was interested in this topic.

Grant committee board representative?  Can the board help with the individual grants?  Suzanne Turner and Roy Graham indicated they could.  Please send out the board minutes as soon as possible.

Preparations for Alcatraz trip

Must be there by 1:30 PM.  Van will leave the hotel at 1:15 PM.  There is a surf advisory for San Francisco.  Rain kicking in the next 30 minutes.  Alcatraz may be misery right now.  Tour and workshop will take about an hour.  There is an audio tour of the island as well.

Discussions and recommendations

Garrison moves that Pahl continues chair one more year and Spodek continues as vice-chair for one more year.  Turner seconds.  Motion passes unanimously.

Horace Foxall thanks the center for coming to the west.  Foxall suggests that we should have a board meeting in New Orleans.  When the staff doesn’t have to drive, the costs would be reasonable.  Next meeting Natchitoches or New Orleans? Can provide interesting tours and open for ideas for preservation efforts.  Other possibilities could be Hot Springs, Arkansas or Natchez, Mississippi.  The most expensive travel costs were associated with Yellowstone.  The Board recommends that Kirk will make the decision.

Is there an Academic Chair in the Center?  World Heritage Center establishes chairs. Roy Graham will send information.  It could be a revolving chair that moves from university to university.

Can Silman be a liaison to the Friends Board?  This will be researched by Rob Pahl and Kirk Cordell.  What would be a mechanism for interacting with the board?  A conference call every six months or quarterly?  Agenda three weeks out.  Information and feedback for the staff.  Conference call for about an hour maximum.  Spodek feels that the conference call should be topical.  Certain initiatives where the board can help.  Target individual groups of board members (2-3).  Things that the individuals can do on their own.  Could it possibly be done through a webinar?

Calendar of things coming out? Email to the board members?  What’s coming up!  Foxall: HUD is producing a website database with tribes for tribal construction. He will send information.

Suzanne Turner moves to adjourn. Seconded by Foxall.  Motion passes unanimously.  Van will leave for the airport at 7:30 AM. Airline alert for 35 mph winds.